Heh. All I ever had was the bryce demo. It didn't come with instructions. And the biggest reason I prefer Vue is all I have to do is click on the mesh in the window and just drag it to where I want it. Or click on the rotate tool and drag it until it turns the direction I want it to go. Or I can haul it up in the air, move it over a table and hit the "drop" button and it lands on the table. hehe. Which is much easier to do when I have all 4 views open instead of just one. :) Kate (who already spent her money)