yeah, Kromekat, I think it's all about what you're used to and how the individual brain functions. For me, the trackball system is the least intuitive thing out there, whereas for others it's like falling off a log - easy as pie. I guess I'm a "hands on" type person in real life, so it's more logical to me to just pick something up and put it where you want it (like you would do in real life) where for someone else it makes more sense to slide things around. I think that's one of the reasons I never really got too involved in VRML - the controls were more like the trackball and I got tired of hitting those little arrows and instead of moving a few inches wound up completely out of the scene I was viewing and off somewhere else. :) Now, if I could just figure out the stupid TrueSpace interface - it's not like Bryce OR Vue - not even close. g KateThe"manual is no help"Shrew