see, guys...i'm cheap. i want to make all my own stuff...except for v2,v3, m2, m3...and, a few "must have" hairs. so, i don't much buy stuff made for poser....i buy the programs to make my own...lol...so, i've probably spent as much, (groan)more even than the rest of you. only difference is: i'm never quite satisfied with what i make....so you all at least have some clothing for your vickis. me, i've got a harddrive full of wips.