I should have said that I do consider C4D and LW "collateral" damage on my credit card with respect to Poser. :) As for which I like best, that's difficult to answer. I use C4D most of the time, but you can bet that's only because I received and learned it first. Both have their strong and weak points. LW has fur/hair and HDRI builtin among other things, but is steeper to learn and master. C4D doesn't have these but is easy to learn and master. LW is more industry standard and has a large userbase whereas C4D is not as well known. BYS