I think peopel are missing teh piotn with P5 the problem with it is not only that it was rushed out, not only was it a patchork or third part plugins, but it was FUBAR from day one. We here were all told it was a TOTAL rewrite. Oen look at P5 tell you it is not. The fact tehre are teh SAME BUGS is a giveaway or cryclyed code. Don't get me wrong I love P4. But P5 is a nightmare. Wat best with teh patch is as good as P4 I treat P5 like I treat Aliens 3 and Highlander 2. Just pretend I never saw it and continue.