Fishnose, I didn't see anyone in this thread drive to someone's house and hold a gun to their head while forcing them to make big noses and small lips on their Vickies. NO ONE is forcing anyone to do anything. The problem with the insanely small noses and blown up lips is just what you stated: No creativity, no imagination, no messing about. What is the ratio Supervickies to Vickies who look much different than the model that loads on your screen? I don't expect people to bow to what I want in Poser, if I did I would have left Renderosity long ago. What I do expect is not to see people bashed and insulted for stating a personal opinion. However, Renderosity, especially the precious little Poser forum, is becoming THE place to come and get insulted and bashed for no real reason.