thanks for the vote of confidence casamerica :)<<< Hey, I may still think that P5 is a load of gorram, but I realize that there are some here with a great deal more patience and forgiveness than I who might be able to help a newbie out. You happen to be one of them. ;-) >>>I'm now going down the route of setting stuff up in Poser4 then rendering in Poser5 even if it is a bit of a struggle for me with poser4 (libraries being better in Poser5).<<< That is about the only thing about P5 I do miss... the library setup. It is a pain to keep switching libraries in and out with P4. But at least my animations render properly in P4 or P4-to-Vue. I'm just starting to use python scripting within P4PP. It does make certain tasks a bit easier. Take care, be well, keep flying. casamerica