Nudity definitions are so varied that trying to define them is really silly. So, for that matter of, are definitions of "family" and "family values". Give up trying and make all the challenges animals or still lifes only. Nah, even then you'll offend someone. "walking down the street on a warm summer's morning in a metropolitan area" makes you ask what metropolitan area and which summer's day. In Portland during Gay Pride, many women in the parade go topless, don't get arrested, and no one really cares much. In Portland that is, one day a year. In some other U.S. cites, say Memphis, they'd be arrested. You're either going to offend some people with nudity, or others with what they percieve as censorship. If we worried about offending someone, we should not do our art at all. Or speak. Maybe not even breath. Trying to come to a concensus on how much skin can be shown below the nipples on only mature female figures is downright ludecrous. My own opinion is that the TOS itself should be the basis. Mark it if you think it's nudity. If you don't mark it, and there's a complaint, then the mods mark it. Trying to come up with secondary definition will satisfy few and just create more controversy. We get enough of that here. I do appreciate that you're trying, but you're in a no-win situation. Just make a decision, give up trying for concensus, and don't apoligize or make excuses anymore. If someone doesn't like it, they don't have to enter the challenge. I trust the mod's judgement and common sense. When we sign up, we agree to the rules listed. When we participate in a challenge, we agree to those rules. If we don't like the rules, we don't participate. One last thing. The mod's work hard, take the heat, and get d*mn little appreciation. Those 'sity junkies (like me) should thank them every day for the time and though they take. Even when they do try to define how much breast below the nipples for a mature female humanoid figure qualifies as acceptable nudity. Sorta sorry about the last line, can't help myself. There really is too much humor here to take it REALLY seriously.