LOL interesting link Dave-So. To quote: "Cleavage - Clothing reveals a significant portion of female breasts without revealing nipples. Enough of the breasts are visible that attention is drawn to them. A conservative viewer might be offended, or a parent viewing the film with a child might feel uncomfortable." Whose attention, the parent's or the kid's? Conservative - Jerry falwell or Martha Stewart? Parent - Michael Jackson? I know it's fashionable in some circles to knock the Europeans, but somehow, I doubt they'd be having this conversation. Sorry, I know this is America and this is serious but still, it do be funny. So, my final comment is that maybe despite all the good intentions and honest efforts to please, take one of the two suggestions already given. Either: 1. Accept the apparently generally accepted definition of nudity - no nips, no bits and no butts. 2. No nudity. Select the hip and (on females) the chest/rcollar/lcollar and designate them as no render zones, patrolled by coalition moderators authorized to take out offending images. Given the legitimate desire for a family friendly atmosphere, I'd say the latter is the obvious choice. Go with it and to heck with those who disagree. You're running the contest. I disagree with the 'If you want nudity, go to Renderotica,' idea but if you want to try to avoid offending the most people, no nudity is the best answer, short of limiting the subject matter to inanimate objects. I still think the most rational way to try and please everyone is to simply have different contests. If you can have different themes, why not alternate or simultaneous contests one rated G for everyone, no nudity allowed, and one rated whatever where people can do Vicky in a habit or Vicky in nothing but a string of pearls if it suits them. NB I remember one summer as a child, getting into watching a now long defunct soap opera with my mother, being great fun. Thirty years or so later, I found it distinctly uncomfortable watching the modern day groping, slurping spit-swapping soaps with her. There should be a category for 'child viewing the film with a parent might feel uncomfortable.'

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