Yeah, but I am not using bryce primitives. It has a special logarithm for those This is all terrain polys.. I've had 500 mil poly's with no slowdown using prims.. But this.. It's slow. Trust me. Let's just say, the scene file alone is over 200 megs...And untill I install this new mb and 512 ddr on my desk. I only have 256. But it just arrived, so basically, posting this, then installing it. Ok, labling a render I have here from the top. one mo.