I have used Poser since version 2 and using 4 have generated a number of Mimic animations, which include a 3d virtual classroom and my animated professor for tutoring students in genetics. Because I use more than 25 different apps, teach genetics, cell biology, embryology..., do research and am getting old, I tend to worry over the details of program use when needed and dump much of the detail when not using it. My issue here was as originally stated: Use of Vue 4 with Poser 5. Things have changed since casamerica's first response to this thread, that it could not be done. Now, because of Phoul's efforts, it seems we can use Poser 5 with Vue 4 and Mover 4. I was hoping to save time and have with the excellent help of Phoul and c1cle. I hope that Phoul re-posts his method in the Vue forum; there are members who would certainly appreciate the info there. I posted there as well but got a terse single response "No". Thanks for your last response Phoul; I am a bit obsessed with clarity. I will update you via your site later if you like with links to my finished projects. As far as Poser 5 is concerned, the 2.1 service pack seemed to have stabilized everything quite a bit for me. Most of the problems with this version were from the piracy protection scheme, which they removed. I wish Curious Labs and E-onsoftware the greatest success. I would hate to see progress stall with Poser 4. Thanks to all, for your help and patience. Signing off, See