I think I created a new IK chain for one arm using a sword as the goal and parented the sword to the other hand. I can't remember what I exactly did right now. I'll hunt around and see if I still have the pz3 and check for sure. What I did (I think) after I created the IK chain and got everything in the right place I just moved the arm that had the sword parented to the hand. After I got everything close to what I wanted I created a bunch of keyframes for everything and turned off the IK chain I did my final tweaking. Ed