Bam, yes, there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, my response wasn't for those that had that, but instead complained and offered nothing constructive out of it. My frustration is directed at the may-sayers that offer nothing but, "I DONT LIKE THIS". At least you and some others have written criticism of VALUE.. not just complaining. So please do not think it was directed at you. We had thought about donations and contributions early on in the game, this was tried at another place of ours and didn't justify the income vs. overhead. Some people have to be forced to pay or they wont pay at all. What we DIDN'T and still DON'T want to do is charge admission to the sites. That doesn't help everyone, it just helps the people who can afford it and that isn't what the spirit of this forum is about. I would never ask for money from anyone without being able to give them something for it. The best solution to meeting our bills and overhead, while still offering something to them would be through a store setting which by supporting the artist and helping to sell their work, we can still afford to pay our bills. I hope that helps in explaining my position some... ??? Jack