L You didn't, I don't think, MZ. I was just saying that hatemongers of any ilk that tout discrimintation, genocide, and so on are perfectly viable subjects for renders. If I were to make a 'villains' package and include outfits for 'Insane Arab Terrorist', and 'Nazi Stormtroopers' I'd get shit from the muslims, but if I included 'Televangelist', 'Corporate Mogul', and 'Mary, Queen of Scots' all in the same package, the only Muslims who could justify getting upset would be the 'Insane Arab Terrorists' really, because the rest would see I gave equal representation to villains of many cultures. Strangely enough, I think I haven't actually been flamed. I'm in favour of freedom to worship as you choose, to think as you choose, and to do as you choose, provided that what you believe, think, and do isn't dedicated to hurting anyone else or stopping others from having the same freedoms. I think that people who are dedicated to hurting others, regardless of the excuse are the real villains, is all. Hatemongering is the same regardlesss of the excuse for the hatemongering. 'She worships Satan!', 'He doesn't believe in my God!', 'He humps guys!', 'She wasn't a virgin when she was born!', 'His skin's too dark!', 'I don't like her culture!', 'Her ancient ancestors killed my god's kid!', 'He's too old!', 'She's too young!', 'He's too spitty looking!', 'Damned offworlders!', 'Damned flatworlders!', 'He's a robot!', 'She has antennae!', 'They eat their own dead!', 'He wears makeup!', 'She wears trousers!', 'Damned Vampire fag!', 'he doesn't show respect for the Shaman!', 'You're in contempt of my contemptible courtroom!', 'You're corrupting the Arab World with your decadent Western Ways!', 'Wife swapper!', 'Porn star!', 'Cultist!', 'Queer!', 'Whore!', 'Heathen!', 'You're claiming to be the King of the Jewsm and it's under Roman rule!' See? If people really need to hate -- I'm not saying they should hate, but if it is in fact human instinct that can't be overcome, how about using these excuses instead (provided they are true and the person is proven to fit the description by due process)... 'Racist!', 'Kiddie porn peddler!', 'Child Molester!', 'Serial killer!', 'Mass murderer!', 'Theocrat!', 'Usurer!', 'Husband beater!', 'Animal Sadist!', 'Brainwasher!', 'Person who drugs others without their consent!', 'Rapist!', 'making people pay for 'protection' whether they like it or not (I forget the word, like the Mafia and gangs do) -- yeah, take that you IRS agent you!' 'Jackass!' Ever notice that the Nazi salute and the Black Panthers' salute are almost identical? An it harm none, do as ye will.