'The PHI works as well without leading TAB' Do you know, I didn't ever know that? I always added these stupid TABs when I work in notepad, simply because PHI Builder uses them. Good. One thing less to worry about. Thanks dodger, I did advise shanna to use yxz, but I couldn't be bothered going into the full gory details of why. I generally use yxz, at least for most furniture, since things like doors and windows open with the Yrot, but as you say, a coke bottle would be different. At the worst, she can always drag the dials around in notepad or cr2Edit. BT, I wondered about that 'file size too big' error too. I've never had it myself and it's hard to imagine how many body parts you'd need for the file to be too big. I've done 80+ with no problems. Maybe it's just a code phrase for 'Piss off! I can't read the damn obj' LOL. mac