DEEP my friend, and I do not disagree. (strangley enough) but didn't in the first place either, just responding to a nastygram i got in the email. Never criticize one until you have walked a mile in their shoes...That way, when you do criticise them, your a mile a way from them, and YOU HAVE THEIR SHOES! :) Yes, it is all fun an games (humorous) to me now, and prolly will continue to be until i poke an eye out! But until then, I have a good life, family, house, income, and am very happy with life in general! So, I'm not sweating the small stuf (or at least what is small stuff to me). And, perhaps My renders show my sprit as well, just as your ideas of appropriate villians. For instance, the "its all fun and games till 1 pokes an eye out" thing has got me thinking....Hmmmmmm you can also add: blu-eyeism type of car-ism bulleggedism (a problem i have) no-soup-for-you-ism jerry springer-ism I see the point... RAZ