Those !#*! lumps that Mike has for shoulders can drive a person to drink---I'm living proof ;) I needed very realistic, long, flowing hair for a Mike character in a close-up and spent days trying to get hmann's beautiful hairs to flow over those two swollen lumps. After several IM's from the hairs' creator, who didn't think it could be done, I finally had to give up. I've never seen shoulders that shape and size on any man (other than body builders, and I don't do much work that I can use exaggerated musculature in). The men I know with nice shoulders have a flowing line from their necks to the outer edge of their shoulder, not a descending line, then a huge swelling at their shoulder. Morphing them out of that shape, yet still keeping them looking toned and young, is beyond me at present. I did manage to get rid of them in a figure of an elderly wizard, which I'm finishing and hope to post this week. Wish someone who is a better morpher than I would make up a set of more realistic shoulders.....