Great bonestructure! The only thing I have posted at Renderosity is at http://www.renderosity.com/photos/Message100601.jpg I have precious little by way of progs at home, but have access to 3DStudioMax3, Bryce4 and Poser4 at work, and permission to use them for noncommercial projects that don't interfere with work. The boss is a pretty good egg that way; either that or he thinks I need all the practice I can get! heh heh I can do post work at home in Corel PhotoPaint as well (usually required) I look forward to hearing from you soon, and to seeing what you and Styxx come up with :-)