That's it, Catlin. I had a feeling the people in this forum would feel about the pleasing and stimulating just as strongly as they appreciate effort and skill. A combination not easily found these days. Not to mention being nice and supportive to newcomers. I haven't been posting and discussing much, but rather reading, learning and feeling my way around. And after a while I am certain I chose this forum well. And I love the challeges. Make me think and use what Bryce has to offer more than I ever would on my own, since this is not my profession. I also wonder how many people here are professional artists and designers or related professions, how many just hobby artists like me. Any ideas? Or is it not important at all? tatjana