I don't think a mature discussion is possible. Every time this topic comes up (which is at least weekly), the same things are posted: Everything done with Poser is junk. Everything done in the galleries is junk. Real artists don't post on Poser. There is art on the gallery but there's too much junk to wade through. Postings should be limited. Voting should be limited. No one should be permitted to post unless they show their art degree. blah, blah, blah. It's a site with enthusiastic learners, talented artists, and jaded pros who are all mixed up in the same arena. You can definitely find art in the Poser galleries and not have it show up in the Hot 20. Takes work. You betcha. But, you know, it's kind of fun to watch someone start new and start growing a talent in front of our eyes. Some of us will never be artists, but others have the spark. Art snobbishness is a bad thing when it blocks out seeing someone develop their talent. Some people are born with ability, but it often takes time to see it flower. If we weren't such an immediate gratification society, we'd see the benefit of allowing growth to happen in its own stumbling, slow way.