and thak you for returning your own reply in just as civil, lucid and in a rather logical form. it is quite the altruistic dilemna is it not? a simple idea planted and passed on. Growing and expanding. reaching limits not thought reached at a speed most unexpected. When the "Idea" becomes a Reality, and therefore must Deal with, and Work within Reality's structures or fall wayside. i quite understand exactly your reasoning as well as your argument. and allow me to ask my pardons for the misunderstanding of your intentions of "clumsy". This was a rushed endeavor, and the only place open to us, was our own/your backyard. Your remark is valid, and as we did with our once adult section, now Renderotica, we perhaps, may do the same with the online store in the future. once again, thank you PJF for taking the time, and consideration to express your views as you have done. thank you. i hope i am not too forward, if at this time, you would grant us some small patience, for at this time, we are but a group of ten, including a one man tech support, who does so WHILE doing is own work, given to him by his employer, for a home that houses 15,000. we are few, and i am in belief that you can comprehend both the physical and mental exhaustion that does come with it. the patience i kindly ask for, is for the time it may take to bring things to a more appreciatible setting for all concerned. We have, in short, a small workshop and very few workers. So we need to keep things together as we all spread our selves thinly to keep this running. to do so, at this time, we will need to keep the Online Store here. Forgive me, but this how it must be for now. Thank you again, PJF for your valued concerns. i look forward to hearing your thoughts and comments and greatly apreciate the time you spend voicing them. ed