No, they laid off all the good ones...<<< No, that is not true. I have my issues with CL, how they released Poser 5, etc., etc. Those opinions will never change. My customer ties are forever severed with CL, but there are still a few good people at CL. At least I had the honor of dealing with one who kept her word. So I have to respectfully disagree with your statement above, martian_hunter. Take care, be well, keep flying. casamerica