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Subject: Genres within the gallery

tammymc opened this issue on Feb 26, 2003 ยท 171 posts


ShadowWind posted Thu, 27 February 2003 at 10:41 AM

Ron,
I didn't say there shouldn't be a system by which pure images shouldn't be flagged, I just don't think it should be it's own gallery because of what dialyn said about a gallery for each. I think a checkbox that could be used as a filter would solve the problem of Pure in all galleries. This way you'd get the benefit of the popularity of the Poser gallery for those that want to look at art that Poser had a hand in, as well benefitting the people who want to look at pure Poser art by itself. Having a gallery would also cause people to wind up posting pictures twice when their image got slashed on views and so it would just double the number of images, where with a flag, it wouldn't.

Just a hint Ron and you can take it for what it's worth, but lashing out at the Poser community for creating art that is not 100% Poser is not the way to garnish support for anything.

Believe me, I understand your frustration about not being appreciated sometimes for how much work goes into an image. Even though I guess I'm on the "laziness" list according to you, if you check my gallery you will see that I do a lot of handpainted from scratch images. I have to compete with the Poser gallery. I was even asked once, what texture I used on one of my painted portraits. So yeah, I get it, but also I realize that in the end, it's the image that people see, not how you got there or how well you know how to manipulate any given program.

To me though, 100% Poser is really just Dork on an untextured cube. With the exception of animation, which requires render only imagery, still images are always going to be inherently mixed media, whether prework (models, painted textures) or postwork is done on them. I would think the goal of any artist is not to show prowness in the program, but to make the best image they possibly can given the tools and skills they have to work with. That's certainly my goal. Let us also not forget that most hair models and such cost money so if someone can draw whatever hair style is appropriate rather than buying one for each, that's all the more reason to learn postwork (not to mention getting just the look you want).

I kinda resent the fact that I am called lazy because I use postwork in my images. Most of my gallery takes upward to 30-40 hours (including many of the 3D images), combining resources from several programs I have learned (not mastered I'll admit). I work as hard as anyone on my artwork, so please don't say I'm lazy because I choose, like others, not to limit my artwork to what the renderer can produce. It is what is added by my own hand that makes an image have the ShadowWind touch. I think that the Poser artists that you seem to refer to like ToxicAngel and Voodoo and others, do know the program very well, but also know that their vision would be stifled by it's limitations. Heck up until Poser 5, Poser 4 had no reflections even...

Poser has a wide berth as to the interest. For some, it's not what program rendered it, but what new texture, model, prop, figure was available in Poser. Unique poses and situations are another. People see Poser as a tool and while there are the purists, a majority looks at the image in either the art itself or the parts used in the image that they may be interested in getting themselves. And Mixed Media, despite popular opinion, is actually more intune to traditional versus digital, rather than cross 3D platforms.

So while I resent the implications you've made Ron in your comment about laziness and how a Poser artist is more qualified by only using Poser, I would support some sort of flag for "pure" images, but not a gallery...

ShadowWind

PS: You want to know something ironic, there has been numerous discussions trying to get the Poser users out of the other galleries. Go figure. Can't we all just...get along...