But then I wouldn;t have paid for them. Thanks for the offer though. I tried 3dmodelworld, but the only close one they had was poser. There was a lightwave one there too, but it just wasn;t the right type. The poser one may have worked, but my poser does not import well, and for some reason my bryce crashes every time I try to import an obj. That is a nice torpedo boat erlik, just not quite what I;m looking for. Thanks for the help everyone!!!!!