I am uploading a pic right now that I used the P4 render settings because I am just learning P5 on a machine running WinXP...I hope to upgrade my OS real soon so I can actually run P5 on my main machine(Running Win98SE and Poser5 wont work),So I think I will try the settings you have above Tomorrow morning and will upload the Pic I get from the settings above,Now if someone wants to upload a picture of their RayTracing settings I will upload that pic...Or I can just compile all of the renders into one picture then we can see the difference...Note I will upload the render times too useing a AMD Athlon 1.9 with 1024DDR and a Geforce 3 64MbDDR....