I thought it was a good topic choice and the concept of no imports was very clearly stated. Also - I had no idea I could have voted even when I didn't enter something - otherwise I would have voted. God of Bryce did not throw me of religiously - he just meant the ruler of Bryce aka the Wizard behind the curtain. The issue of trust... that should never have happened - you guys have a good forum here and you've got to take what people contribute at face value and not question their techniques. I know a metaball hand from a Poser one and that hand was clearly a well-executed metaball hand. Emotions are running high right now with Catlin's news, but the FACT is Bryce has always been about a Community not an application. This community aspect dates back to 1993-1994 when I was tuckersaur on AOL and the AOL chatroom for HSC/Bryce was jumping with new discovery. We had a gallery that we all submitted images to and HSC would decide which images were worthy of it. Getting an image in there was like Image of the Day on some software sites - you were on cloud nine when they picked your image. Just like you do here - we were constantly pushing each other and what could be created in Bryce. It was the community that pushed Bryce to make ocean waves in Version1. It was the community that pushed Bryce to make an actual working telescope in Bryce2. It was the community that pushed Bryce to make the very first desktop video production of Planetary Traveler. Never lose sight of that - Bryce5 could very well be the last one, but the community will continue to make it viable - the community will continue to make it enjoyable - the community will continue to take it beyond an ordinary piece of software. Without the community Bryce is just a basic 3d program that has no modeler and a slow renderer. Sure it allows model imports, but how on earth did it survive this long? I'll tell you what you already know. It took the community to see that the Terrain Editor is very cool modeler and the skies are a ready made lighting system. It took the community to look past render speed and see the beauty in Bryce renders. In the hands of the community Bryce is religion, Bryce is life! Bryce is who we all are inside. Bryce is the ONLY software I've seen that inspires such loyalty and freedom. It never ceases to amaze me how far the community has taken it. Keep taking it further - rumors of its death are highly premature. Scott : )