After five o'clock, West corner, that way we have the setting sun on our backs and in their eyes, lol. Siggraph 2003 is in San Diego, and in 2004 it will be in Los Angeles. I live in L.A., I'm slated to go to both. Whether or not Corel owns Bryce or not, I think one point that we are all frustrated with is the lack of communication with Corel. No offense to Conan Hunter, I don't know the guy at all, but it would have been nice to have heard from any Corel employee once in a while, even if it was to say "sorry, no new news, guys". If Corel goes on owning Bryce in the future, this problem NEEDS to be rectified. And, maybe I shouldn't mention Conan, it's not his job to have to come into these forums, but if Bryce's program manager could at least have communication with someone (a fellow Bryce-freak), whom in turn did come to these forums to say "sorry, no new news, guys", that would have made us all feel a little more appreciated. We are the buyers of their product, we are their long term beta-testers, and (this is my attitude talking but) Renderosity is one of the biggest artistic communities on the planet, and I have yet to see another set of Bryce users take Bryce as far as the members here. IMO, you are all the best, and if Bryce comes out of Corel's arms, and the chance is given, I'm sure you all can make a difference in Bryce's future. AgentSmith

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