Scotttucker you have said exactly what I feel for this program. Before I joined this forum I was really just pottering about with Bryce but here I've been pushed, cajoled, and manipulated into seeing the possibilities of Bryce and I love it. I rejoice in this community and the excitement of discovery experienced by all of us when we learn to do something new. Bryce is a major part of my working life now and I can't see that changing no matter what happens at Coral, I just find it sad that the core programming of Bryce may never advance to the higher level I think could be achieved with it. I guess if Bryce is to advance it would have to be taken on by someone who sees it as a labour of love and saddly I don't think there is anyone with the resourses and ability to take Bryce on who has that kind of feeling for it. Catlin