It's kind of sad because I'm seeing more and more sites leaving like this because of this very reason. Even when they have a statement on the site that asks people not to use those download programs, people still ignore that and do it anyway. They're probably thinking they're the only one getting in there doing it, so it won't matter. Such ignorance. And it punishes those of us who don't use the programs. We're losing more and more resources because of this. Melanie