Hehehe...same here SamTherapy. I am also a graphic designer (and a pretty good one too ;o)). I guess your friend puts no stock in such things as composition then A_? Because in order to make a really good looking Poser image you must have good composition, lighting, and (sorry purists) good postwork. I have news for your "friend" too...if he's truly a graphic designer (and not a commercial artist), then he's in for a rude awakening in his own job. Very rarely does a graphic artist work completely with their own creations. Someone else's logo maybe, maybe some stock photos or eps graphics, and fonts. Also, most of the time a graphic artist is told what the customer wants. Kinda limits the creative juices sometimes. It mostly lies in the - HA! - composition. Run that past him. ;o) What it all boils down to is if it makes YOU happy in doing it. Who the hell really cares what any else thinks :o). Laurie