Do you know what I view Poser as? A very affordable character animation solution... A lot of people use poser for images... I use it a LOT for animation! I can't afford 3D Studio Max or Maya, much less the training, for my casual involvement... ... and Poser keeps it CASUAL! You know what? It IS easy to set up characters, and pose them, and ANIMATE them. Plus, it's brought me closer and closer to taking some time and pursuing an MFA in character animation. Its the same argument b/w programmers who use C++ vs. Visual Basic... "VB is too EASY"... ok, but I can make a VB app meet specs in a day, show it to the client and sell the contract... So BITE ME :-) People who do it "professionally" hold the world in contempt... but professionals know which tools to use and when, and never discount them. Just my 0.02 :-) -RP