Rochr, Yes, As to which application is actually better is, I think, largely a matter of choice. As you, Humorix, Agent Smith and a few others have proven Bryce will go well beyond what the casual user would even think was possable. Although I don't hang on the Vue forum I'm sure that there are those who are capable of great things in that program just as there are those who do great things here. My own reasons for using Bryce are basically that I was exposed to it first, the interface is easy for me to understand, and I am comfortable using it. In Bryce if there is something I don't understand I can, given the time and imagination, figure it out - and there is always someone who will take the time to help with the rough spots. On top of that I feel that we have one of the best communities on the net both in terms of moderators and members - (of course this is personal opinion).