AgentSmith said "One fact about Bryce (and it's interface) Some love it. Some absolutely hate it." If Doc and pandromeda do get their hands on Bryce perhaps we could have two view options built into Bryce, ie. Classic view the one we all know and love, and default like the 4 pane view that a lot of 3der's prefer, or visa versa. I don'think this would be such a hard thing to achieve, then what do I know about the complexities of programming. It's times like these that I start thinking about taking up a computing course. Cat