I used to use Bryce 4 with Poser, now I use Vue due to the ease. I am thinking of getting the B5 upgrade, the Depth of Field seems so much easier to use than Vue's, but in all honesty I don't really use B4 much now so probably wont. I like the looks from both programs' renderers. I am astounded by the things I see people do in BOTH programs, just because one may not tickle your fancy is no reason to try to stop others from using and enjoying. I do like the sound of a Mojoworld/Bryce hybrid though, as I also have Mojoworld and find it tricky, nice pics, but oh so tricky. Let's all just play happy together :) Just a couple of points from reading through the thread. Phantast, you can adjust any material part of a .pz3 import in Vue independantly at any time you want using the display summary, which shows ALL materials used (ie, head, body, eyeball etc) as shown in the pic (a Vicki 3 import). Rochr, you can also have the single pane window in Vue if you want instead of the four view. Apologies for the long windedness :)