Since I made the "jungle" statement, I will respond and try to keep the offense taken to nuski's statement to a minimum.

My problem with Bryce 5 and the tree lab lay in the fact that I had 20 images to complete within a timeframe and using Bryce for an overgrown jungle was wholey inefficient. It took me 8 hours to complete only the shrubery of the forest floor using Bryce. This due to that fact that I did not want any of the 'ferns' in the scene to be the same.

I admit that I do rely on material and tree object presets to get me going. But if Metacreations (and then Corel) have supplied you with a material that works or a tree shape that needs only a little tweaking, then why not use it. If that makes me a non-artist, then so be it. And looking at nuski's gallery I can see that a preset material is not present there. I applaud you.

As has been said many times in both forums (and now twice by myself) Bryce and Vue are both great programs with different strengths and weaknesses. I love Bryce for the DTE, volumetric materials and the variety of manipulations available in the terrain editor. I love Vue for the ease of Poser imports, the skys and the efficiency of vegitation creation.

Both programs have room to grow. And both can learn from each other. I agree wholeheartedly with AgentSmith in regard to competition. I feel a world without Bryce OR Vue would only hurt the surviving program. I apologize to the die-hard Bryce lovers if my comments about Corel were mis-interpretted as 'good ridance.'