Enforcer- My initial statement read. . ."I think what it boils down to is the individuals artistic abilities!" Why must everyone (myself included ) be so defensive! If I implied that anyone that uses presets is not an artist, please accept my apology! I use presets whenever it is necessary. The point that I intended to make is that an individual's artistic experience and ability plays an important role in the creative process. Having the ability to create a texture from scratch, is more fulfilling than using presets. I enjoy using Bryce, but I have never used the tree editor. . . . have no desire to! I find it confining! I also rarely use procedural textures. . . If the topic of a challenge was to create a jungle scene, I would explore the presets first and then design additional textures to my specifications. That's just the way I am!! As far as the absence of artists page presets is concerned, perhaps I could free up some time to post and share my textures. . . .just haven't got around to it! However, I have tried to participate in the forum community by sharing several of my experimental techniques with everyone. To conclude. . . . . I never meant to offend . . . . in the future, I will try to post some textures. . . . and I completely agree with your last two paragraphs . . . .there is no good or bad. . . . .we use whatever we have to . . . .to the best of our abilities. . . .to get the job done. : )