ahhh.. duh, Ive hit this problem before and hadnt even thought of it this time so, of course the easy workaround is not to make it a 'single' scalp..or to step up in stages to the final strand count. I think there is an actual limit to the number that can come off of one body part. Ive hit it before and until I removed or re-parented the part, it wouldnt work. 8? does that sound right (per body part) or was it 10? (I should have written that down) thanx for jarring my memory. So a minor re-evaluation of the initial setup will have to be done. Perhaps layers with their own parent and then those layers parented to different parents..and those parented to a single base. The idea right now is to have 10 main layers, but then each of those 10 layers will have 30 or more layers unto itself. and each of those will have multiple posable parts. thanx BT