well i read all the posts, and i see some yeas and nays. Hopes and Hypes and ones trying to keep the faith with a company that is trying to correct a wrong. i know i've been one whos been all over CLs butt for screwing the ones who got P5 that messed up there system one way or another. i mean i really felt sorry for you guys and was hoping CL do you right. well as time passed and it seems things got worse, we all started to build a bonfire and toss CL in it. and you can't say we didn't either. i know some of oyu guys are ticked, and some are still hopeful. but you know, if it wasn't for Poser where would ya be? now Daryl Wise is doing his job and his best to keep you guys inform. he is willing to help, but his powers are limited. ( meaning he can't fix what he didn't break) but he can try to help us by listening ( and not the nasty letters either,)and giving feedback to the ones who are working on P5. i know it will be hard to convince the Mac users. boy do i know that, i'm one myself, but you know when Apple came out with the OSX i wasn't too happy about it, but in time i took to it like duck on water. if CL does a good job on P5 for OSX, i might get it, but i'll be listening to the other lake jumpers who buy it first. i still plan to go with DAZ Studio when it comes out. i mean any program that can make my work better and i still have fun with it will be worth the wait. Now lets ease off CL for a bit and see what becomes of this news. so all you you who got nails to put into the CL's cross, put them down for now. have a beer and go make something:) Old Man Sarge