Thanks Pete and AgentSmith. re the 4-pane view. I have a hard time with it, but I'm so used to the keys in Bryce that of course I prefer the single-pane now. The problem with the single pane view in Bryce is not seasoned users...we deal with it very well...it's beginners. My students just can't get used to switching views. Once they realize and go 'doh' they do fine. It's just getting them there that's so hard. Poser to Vue is of course much easier and more robust than Poser to Bryce. But Poser to Bryce isn't as hard as the tutes out there lead you to believe either. The truth is somewhere in the middle, as usual. :) I'm hoping I'll be able to upgrade within a month and really am looking forward to playing with vue 4!