Brian - I wasn't playing down the merits of Bryce - I am one of the first to shout at those that pull it down - and I have always agreed that 'it's not the tools - it's the craftsman' - as I said - I will always use Bryce for both illustration and landscape creation, because I am so comfortable with it, and can get results fast. I also know what I have to consider or compensate for with it, but what I meant was, a lot of the things people want from Bryce develpment will most likely never see fruition, and are done much better elsewhere anyway! I always wished I could export models out of it after the hours I spent making grouped booleans etc, but at the end of the day - Bryce is not a modeller as such, and once you use another package, be it LW, Max, Cinema, Rhino etc, you obviously realise how much more powerful and easier it is to create meshes outside, and import them in to Bryce scenes. Render times will always be my only 'real' issue with Bryce, especially if you want the benefit of global light or soft shadows - something that can take only minutes in other renderers like Cinema etc. I hope, as mentioned elsewhere, Pandromeda or someone with equal ingenuity take it under their wings and give it the respect and development it deserves, but even if they dont, it will still exist and work the way it always does! - I still have my 14 year old Airbrush and compressor - they are the same reliable tools they ever were! :)

Adam Benton | www.kromekat.com