I'm in the strage position to agree both with tjohn and Rayraz. It's only since I'm in Renderosity that I try to do everything in Bryce... and I use often Bryce presets (materials and objects), but never fail to tweak them just that little tiny bit... I'm not a purist. I am an enthusiast 3D art hobbyist and viewer, and if an image pleases my eye when I see it, then for me it's fine. For my, Bryce is a tool, a tool that I love, but a tool to achieve what I want (or, more often, what I can LOL). Sometimes I did heavy postwork on my images, sometimes I left them as they come after the render-century, sometimes I import models that I couldn't do myself, sometimes I try like made to make them in Bryce... whatever suits best what I have in mind. And I appreciate at the same level a "pure Bryce" or a "imported then Bryce-rendered then postworked" image. Just my 2 eurocents. :-) Stefano