I'm not sure if were talking "just" about the monthly challenge or/and wether an image belongs in the bryce art gallery or not...but here's my brainflow on it.. When I posted my first image here a few months back some people mentioned that it didnt belong in the bryce gallery because I model my meshes in cinema4D and did some post in photoshop. Seems postwork is a mortal sin around rendero..importing stuff is less bad but you are way more brilliant if u can do anything good with just Bryce. For a Brycebased challenge I'd say bow to the king that wins..on the matter of art..an opinion about artwork should not be based on the choosen path to the final result. I think the problem in this might be the fact that rendero does not have one gallery for 3D artists but more or less a gallery per application..wich is cool..but I actually spend time thinking where to upload the image..bryce gallery?..cinema4D?...2D?...mixed medium? I like to do some sort of realism in my work..and although I would be brilliant if I made a 4Roses label within bryce I would still scan the label and import it... A)I want realism B)it is WAY faster. My last work took over 16 long hours to render in Bryce due to the DOF and the amount of TIR/raytrace I used on the glass..rendered...making a 2D "photo" of a 3D scene..Bryce took the pic. Like tjohn said..if its rendered in Bryce it IS Bryce. If there was a photoshop-postwork gallery poser could kiss their nr1 seat goodbye. -M-