I tried it with a freshly-opened P4 and V3 (someone also advised by email to make sure I used the updated V3 as displayed in the library with the circle background, as it doesn't remove the updated V3 from the listing) as figure 1, and it seems to be working with both morphs. I'll experiment a bit to see if memory usage changes it a bit etc., but thanks for giving me the tips that made this pak something I can use. Take care Chas