Thanks for taking the time to repost that link and the new info, mac! I think that I am figuring it all out -not too complicated, just a lot of fiddly things to remember :) I use Cinema 4D and Strata 3Dpro as well -Poser is a strange one for sure -but at least it opens the door for actually adding some characters into scenes without all the modelling involved in making your own... Jacqueline