Looks like they're selling it for $199 at CL as well. Still not sure if it's a standalone version or if the damned thing will look for Poser 4 before installing. I'm so gun shy about CL right now, I'm not willing to take any chances and it's not clear from the reading. Described as a natural extension to Poser 4....and of course most of their site is promoting P5. Every time I write them with a question (polite ones I might add) I never get an answer, so I've about given up on them. I'd probably buy Pro-Pack as a standalone if I had the chance....but if and only if it interfaces with Vue d'Esprit! There's no point otherwise. I'll not buy any more CL products that won't interface with Vue. I'd like to buy Poser 4 for the upgrade price you pay to move from P4 to P5! That's what I'd like to do!