UT 2003 is a great game, I've owned and destroyed all of the Unreal engine games except RUNE, from Unreal, to Wheel of Time, to Thief. to UT... UT 2003 uses the same version of the Unreal engine, roughly, as the Wheel of Time, which if anyone has seen was previously the best looking realtime-3D ever seen! But forget about all that talk, Unreal II just came out. It makes UT 2003 look like, well, fake? (grins) The game is the most visually impressive game ever made. I mean EVER! By Unreal 5, they will just have to call it "Real!". The only reason I bring it up is for history... UT 2003 came with the PLE for Maya, as well as the ridiculously inept Unreal Editor. Anyone who knows how to work that thing is a GOD! BUT, UT 2003 was, in fact, designed with 3DSMax, which is strange. Apparently, their parent companies had no problem making a deal with Alias/Wavefront when they went to production, though! The truth is, ALL of these main graphics programs are used all the time, everywhere! Everyone's seen LOADS of LW, 3DS, and Maya, and the rest, all the time. The LOTR movies contained more Bryce than real mountains, evidently! But in the end, you got to give it to Adobe, every movie ever made has their dirty fingers in it somewhere, it seems!