This is turning into one hell of a debate. For me, if it was not for Bryce I would never have bought Rhino. I never thought I could model anything but then Bryce showed me otherwise. This warm, fuzzy memory thing is true, if Corel drops Bryce we will always have the tools as they stand now and look at the joy that gives us all. But one day we will have computers that will turn round and say "what is that" and won't be able to run it. Well I guess for real world work other apps will do a bettr job in some areas but I still come back to Bryce for lots of things I can't do effectively elsewhere. Cat