Thanks Steve, Yes I bought Cinema 4D GO after reading your tutorial and trying the demo on the Poserworld CD. I would have liked the XL or even SE versions, but funds would not stretch that far. I ended up with about 26 points on each spline. I imported the P3 woman as you suggest, and coloured her red, then went through an interative process of adjust/add spline - loft- note errors where figure shows through - undo loft - adjust/add spline etc. I used the Unitard cr2 for this, the thin strap one seems to make the top bend over ? Cinema 4D is an excellent program, I can see why you like it. I have used Nendo for some time now, but I'm new to this Nurbs stuff. Now I need to learn how to add sleeves :) Thanks again Ian