Cheers Katherine - my, they have been kind to you in this thread! Nothing else to say here really that isn't a "me too" - like "please can we have a projected date for SR3?". I don't want a "it WILL be released at 11:43 and 26 seconds on the 15th March 2003" kind of deadline, but a rough "days now", "weeks now", "still months to go", "Don't start reading a thick book while you wait, start WRITING a thick book while you wait" and so on. Also of distinct aide would be what is hoped of with SR-3... what Curious Labs hope will be fixed/improved/whatever. It's very hard to look forward to a service pack with no idea of timescale OR what the service pack will actually do for us. Hope we carry on being nice to you :) Cheers, Cliff Bowman