Sorry to be so late in welcoming you, Bast, but I've been away for a while. I know exactly what you mean about the lack of respect people have for artistic work. A few years ago, I was going to trade not one, but two, logo designs to a body shop for some bodywork on my car. The guy had previously given me a quote of $250 for the work. Now I naturally assumed that he was getting by far the best end of the deal here. He, however, felt that because he could have his local print shop make a logo from clip art for about $25, that I was trying to rip him off. Started talking about all the taping and sanding and painting that needed to be done on my car. Like I could just knock out those logos in a couple of minutes!!! After all, I have a computer... Needless to say, I didn't do the logos for him and he didn't do my bodywork. (And, I've noticed he still has the same amateurish logo on his door!) We artists get no respect. About the only people who get less respect are writers, and I know this from personal experience. At least most people feel that not everyone can make art. EVERYONE thinks they can write! Anyway, it's good to have you here. Your sensibility, expertise and wit are a welcome addition to the forums. Diane